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what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
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Rosie punx
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i was listening to crass and they have quiet a few digs at the clash and sex pistols for selling out so i was wondering what everybody here thinks about these bands ? . personally i love all 3 of these bands and agree with crass that the sex pistols sold out but not the clash and if it wasn't for the clash and the sex pistols there wouldnt have been uk punk scene and loads of other great bands that werent influenced by them . but i respect crass for other stuff they did so i love all 3 bands just disagree with crass about the clash and i can't dislike the sex pistols cause they were one of the first bands i listened to lol . but whats all your opinions on this ? 
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| 07 Jul 2011, 20:01 |
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Crasshole
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
Crass lyrics are basically all true. They basically created Anarcho-punk. They are really right about the Sex Pistols and The Clash. Listen to their song "Punk is dead". All those fucking lyrics are true, but I don't really care. I like The Clash's first album and Cut out the Crap. Their first album was pretty fucking awesome and punk, and Cut out the Crap is considered a terrible album, but I like it.
The Sex Pistols were made by the coorperations and The Clash became a slave to them. Sadly The sex Pistols made decent music so I can't say too much bad about them, but The clash are a major disapointment in my book.
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| 07 Jul 2011, 20:17 |
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Rosie punx
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
to Crasshole the song punk is dead is the main song im on about haha but yeah i agree about the pistols but with the clash i can see where your coming from but they said at the time of london calling album they weren't a punk band anymore and they always did what they wanted to but i suppose in a way you could look at that and say thats them selling out but i don't care to much cause i'll always like all 3 bands for the good stuff they did
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Crasshole
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
Yeah I see your point. They actualy admited they were not punk anymore after that album in a couple Magazines and interviews. I really don't like how The Sex Pistols coined in all they could off those couple years though.
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| 09 Jul 2011, 01:20 |
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Rosie punx
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
to crasshole yeah i know i disagree with how they have sold out , it goes against the whole punk ideology but punk would never have been the same without them but john lydon doing butter adverts and sex pistols releasing mens aftershave makes me fking laugh lol
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horrorpunk-zombie
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
I don't really think that Sex Pistols and The Clash 'started' punk in the UK. In fact, Sex Pistols were managed by a guy who owned a punk fashion clothing line, so he probably only managed SP just to help advertise his clothes. They were nothing more than a commercial fashion band, so it was obvious they were going to 'sell out' sooner or later. And, to be honest, I personally have never been into their music anyway.. same with The Clash.
Anyway, it is possible that SP influenced bands (they influenced The Clash after all), but I don't think they necessarily started punk here. Punk has its roots elsewhere back in the 60's even, then America caught on, then the UK, and so on. I've also read many times that it was actually The Ramones who inspired the Sex Pistols when they did a show in London...
As for The Clash, listen to the lyrics of Crass' "White Punks on Hope".
Sorry to resurrect a fairly old topic, but we need something else to talk about on here I think!
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| 26 Jul 2011, 12:57 |
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CrustGrrrl
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
This is why I listen to Public Image Limited., beacause Sex Pistols were hypocrites. They were owned by John McFarland(Something like that) who was the owner of the store "Sex", where they sold clothes to rich kids who stole Richard Hell's style from New York. John was in New York at CBGB's and Richard Hell from the Voidoids walked in. John loved how Richard looked. Richard had nasty Safety pinned up clothes and gross as hell jeans, beacause he was poor. John brought that style back to London. "Sex" opened up and a bunch of Rich kids came over and started purposely ripping up their clothes. Then John Lydon came in wearing a "Pink Floyd Sucks" t-shirt. John created the Sex Pistols to market these clothes and this style. "Sex" was the only place to get it. Of course their were real punk bands like The Banshees and Buzzcocks around, but The Sex Pistols were basically just a Market scam.....
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| 26 Jul 2011, 15:21 |
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CrustGrrrl
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
This is why I listen to Public Image Limited., beacause Sex Pistols were hypocrites. They were owned by John McFarland(Something like that) who was the owner of the store "Sex", where they sold clothes to rich kids who stole Richard Hell's style from New York. John was in New York at CBGB's and Richard Hell from the Voidoids walked in. John loved how Richard looked. Richard had nasty Safety pinned up clothes and gross as hell jeans, beacause he was poor. John brought that style back to London. "Sex" opened up and a bunch of Rich kids came over and started purposely ripping up their clothes. Then John Lydon came in wearing a "Pink Floyd Sucks" t-shirt. John created the Sex Pistols to market these clothes and this style. "Sex" was the only place to get it. Of course their were real punk bands like The Banshees and Buzzcocks around, but The Sex Pistols were basically just a Market scam.....
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| 26 Jul 2011, 15:22 |
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horrorpunk-zombie
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
I think his name was Malcolm McLaren, he was married to Vivienne Westwood and they both owned that shop called SEX. The Sex Pistols were basically the models for those clothes..
I'm not a big fan of PIL either, I just don't like John Lydon.
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| 26 Jul 2011, 16:03 |
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Rosie punx
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
john lydon didn't start the pistols he auditioned for them and yeah it was malcolm mclaren who managed them he did a film after the pistols split up called the great rock n roll swindle where he says how he created the pistols haha but personally i think punk was created over ere with all the 70's punk bands . america had more of a rock sound to it than the angry punk sound to it over hear but thats just my opinion .
@horrorpunk-zombie i think it was the ramones who influenced the clash after a london show although a bit later on sid vicious became a big ramones fan but the pistols and the clash influence loads of bands , steve ignorant out of crass used to be a clash fan ive got a documentary called she's a punk rocker which is great and gee vaucher out of crass was saying it was great when pistols first started cause there was just shit music out around then . but obviously members of crass weren't fans of them bands for long haha .
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| 26 Jul 2011, 19:12 |
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horrorpunk-zombie
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
But Malcolm McLaren co-owned a fashion line with his wife, and he managed Sex Pistols after... The band even have the shops name in their band title, and they wear the fashion lines' clothes. Also, I was just checking the dates and The Ramones did the London gig in July 1976, and Sex Pistols released their first song in November 1976. I'm pretty sure they were influenced by them, and a lot of people attribute The Ramones with starting punk up in the UK when they did that gig. The Clash were supposedly inspired by Sex Pistols. Also, there were other UK punk bands already around before Sex Pistols, so I don't think they were the 'founders' of the UK punk scene like everyone seems to think.
As for the angry punk sound, I'm not so sure about that really. There's an old 60's band who exhibited that sound, and they had some anti-system lyrics as well so this kind of music has been around for a lot longer than people seem to think. It's just that back then the word 'punk' hadn't even been 'invented' yet as a way of describing music so no one knew what it was exactly.
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| 26 Jul 2011, 20:37 |
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Rosie punx
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
yeah ive just remembered they were influenced by them i havent read anything about the pistols in ages so my knowledge is a bit hazzy atm lol . nut punk altogether was influenced by genres before it , it just never ripped it off like the ramones were influenced by the rolling stones , john lydon was a big alice copper fan , but i know there was bands against the system out before punk , i mean me anyway of what i know haven't heard bands out before the pistols who sounded like them and i think they started in 75 and i meant like they started the punk scene over here with the clash and the damned etc.
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horrorpunk-zombie
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
"An oft-cited moment in punk rock's history is a July 4, 1976 concert by the Ramones at the Roundhouse in London (The Stranglers were also on the bill). Many of the future leaders of the UK punk rock scene were inspired by this show, and almost immediately after it, the UK punk scene got into full swing" --Wikipedia (not the best site to reference I know lol, but this is said elsewhere too)
Yeah Sex Pistols first formed in 1975, but they were just doing cover songs at gigs until they released their own first song in late 1976. I reckon seeing The Ramones definitely influenced them, so I don't really think it was Sex Pistols who started punk in the UK, I think that goes to The Ramones. However, I'm definitely not denying that Sex Pistols influenced other bands including The Buzzcocks, Siouxsie Sue and The Banshees, The Clash, etc so I'll give them that lol, but the band were giving the idea that anarchy was about chaos and disorder, and of course John Lydon has completely ruined them now so there's not really much to like about them lol. I can see why people did back then but why still like them now?
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| 26 Jul 2011, 22:12 |
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Rosie punx
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
@horrorpunk-zombie i definetly know anarchy isnt about chaos and disorder i hate it when people think that lol but me personally there's things i hate about the pistols but i like the whole i don't care attitude they had especially sid i know he was a twat but its just the fact of that i don't care attitude helps me when im going through shit haha plus ive grown up hearing them cause my dad played the obvious punk bands a lot lol but to be honest i can't even remember the last time i listened to them lol they were more of one of them first punk bands i started listening to when i got into punk . im more into crass and rancid and loads of other stuff now but idk i think i'll always like the pistols even though they were shit haha im just not making any sense now lol can ya tell im half asleep but can't sleep haha
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| 27 Jul 2011, 00:29 |
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CrustGrrrl
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
I love that shitty stereotype of Anarchy. People think it is pure Disorder, and it is actually a Political Idealism that would shape the world for the better. Too bad the world is too violent for true anarchy anyway.
Anyway on Johnny Rotten now. In a interview after Sid died he was asked "Why don't you start a new band?", and he replied with a "Well I don't start a new band, beacause Malcolm Maclarne(I still fucking cant spell his name). He is fucking having legal issues over the Sex Pistols and I'm tired of it. He still wants to manage my next band too". Then in a OLD P.I.L interview he said that The Sex Pistols were a joke and so was Sid Viscous career. P.I.L is the real John, and The Sex Pistols are Bullshit.
Alot of the people at that show formed bands. Like the Buzz-cocks and other bands. I don't really like the Ramones that much beacause they are really overrated and a little to Pop sounding. Even Live they weren't that good.
And people like The Sex Pistols today beacause they are either those Punx kids with the fucking Casualties shirts and Anarchy Wristbands or Just people who don't care about what is behind the music, but just listen to it beacause they like how it sounds.......I did that for a while, but I figured out I liked a bunch of Sexist bands and shit.....
Alot of the people at that
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| 27 Jul 2011, 00:41 |
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CrustGrrrl
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
Anyway I don't like this topic at all. Just repetitive bullshit......Someone start a new one 
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| 27 Jul 2011, 00:50 |
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Miss Pessimistic
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
The Sex Pistols really didn't do to much to create the Punk scene. They were one of the bands that brought it to the attention of the media, causing the creation of Punk fashion. Much like Nirvana, they didn't create grunge but the were one of the bands that open the thresh-hold for others to enter the style and caused a major fashion trend. The Sex Pistols did make great music, as did The Clash but in some ways both bands sold-out.
But I think they only did it because people wanred more and more of them and they didn't have the money or energy to do it with the people they had.
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| 27 Jul 2011, 02:14 |
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CrustGrrrl
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
I love how we all say the same things just re-worded......
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| 27 Jul 2011, 06:41 |
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horrorpunk-zombie
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
Yeah it was pretty obvious the Sex Pistols weren't serious, especially considering they only released 1 album and lasted about 2 years or something.
I don't like P.I.L., mainly because I don't like John Lydon lol... plus he still went on to do a gig in Israel despite letters (and hate mail) practically begging him not to.
Rosie punx wrote: ive grown up hearing them cause my dad played the obvious punk bands a lot lol but to be honest i can't even remember the last time i listened to them lol they were more of one of them first punk bands i started listening to when i got into punk . im more into crass and rancid and loads of other stuff now but idk i think i'll always like the pistols even though they were shit haha im just not making any sense now lol can ya tell im half asleep but can't sleep haha
Lol fair enough, I don't have a problem if you listen to them, I was just saying that personally I couldn't see why people would still listen to them now.
Miss Pessimistic wrote: Much like Nirvana, they didn't create grunge but the were one of the bands that open the thresh-hold for others to enter the style and caused a major fashion trend.
Yeah this is what I've been trying to get at - Sex Pistols just acted as a kind of gateway for other punk bands in the UK, but weren't the ones who started it, I think that's what people mix up the most.
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| 27 Jul 2011, 09:55 |
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Rosie punx
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Re: what do you think about the clash and sex pistols ?
Yeah i get what ya's mean now like they acted as a gateway i didnt mean they created punk lol but i think they brought it to the media's attention hmm ya's have made me think haha
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