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Author:  SharpSkin6977 [ 26 Feb 2010, 15:58 ]
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We should charge our energies against the exploiters, not exactly the riches, i mean, there's a lot of old bastards who are sitting in money who don't care about other people, but as in any other like social groups there are guys with some brain inside their heads. I agree with both sides in some points, however i think equality should not be the counter point of freedom. We don't need capitalism, anarchism, communism or any ideology to be reasonable and good people, what's missing in this world is humanity, and when i say humanity i don't refer to that beauty tv ads of family planting trees in they backyard with some black person just to say they don't have any prejudice, but before take a decision who could make more people poverty or spread polution just for a billions more, ask to themselves; does the other's misery matter some few milimeters of power? Is that really necessary?

Author:  BobbyY [ 28 Feb 2010, 01:54 ]
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SharpSkin, I can agree with you on several points:

Compassion should be encouraged.
My freedom ends where the freedoms of others begin.

Compassion can't be forced, though.

Author:  crazymike00 [ 28 Feb 2010, 17:44 ]
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way i see it, the rich stop sending our jobs over seas, stop being so fucking greedy and just be happy with being rich, and stop exploiting the American working class. You look at history and what happens when the working class gets fed up, change happens, Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, all happened because of working class angst. So how do we keep this from happening in America? I mean, ive got alot of class pride, ive got alot of faith in my working class brothers but, the fact is we cant run a country. Personally, i think if just get more jobs that we can live on, things will be alot better, everyone will be happy.

Author:  Spoik666 [ 05 May 2010, 01:43 ]
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that title made me really hungry.

Author:  white trash gerald [ 20 May 2010, 14:28 ]
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an american fair wage is a joke. i live in chicago, the unions are for friends and family only! factory jobs are few and far between,and warehouse pay next to nothing. 8 dollars an hour for labor is a joke. so yes fuck the rich

Author:  wintersoul1 [ 20 May 2010, 16:12 ]
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something to think about... all the years spent working for a job that does nothing to help the human race or anyone really except the rich. Think about how much growth youve just thrown out your life. Capitalism took the very meaning of being human. We no longer interact with people and form relationships. its all about "me, myself and I"
Im not against working to better a community. Im against useless bullshit work.

Author:  crain332 [ 08 Aug 2010, 17:50 ]
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Wow! Right on! Great semi heated discussion between all those guys! It's what forums are all about! "Eat the Rich" t-shirts. I didn't notice 'em yet. Shit i have been to busy reading all these posts! "Freedom is the answer. Whats the question?" -Ernest Hancock. Well!

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 21 Aug 2010, 02:11 ]
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Iv got to say this now, reading the comments, i think everyone seems to have a bit of a warped view on things. Iv literally only just joined this site and am feeling sorta agitated. Simply put, i am a communist and this idea that communism is forcing people to give up there property is stupid. True communism is the union of all people that all decitions taken within the country are voted for by the people. Factory bosses, voted for by people. Declaring war, voted for by people. Yes shared ownership is true, but its shared by regular votes, and the dissolution of goverment. The idea that rich people are "nice" is quite a strange one. The only thing the rich really care for is money, and that fact put in that rich people are really charitable is bollocks. Take the haitian earthquake. Most of the funding came from local carribean islands, the majority of which from cuba. The americans basically sent over loads of celebrities to make those people look good.

Author:  ungovernable [ 21 Aug 2010, 22:04 ]
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a revolution without collectivisation of the private proprety isn't communism, please read again your theory.

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 22 Aug 2010, 00:14 ]
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I have read the theories. It is a compiling of the various communist writings i have read i.e. das kapital, manifesto, national question etc. Yes by marxist standards people do relieve themseves of private property and sharded ownership, but just i dont think you can stick to one theory. Just as every political ideology has been in the past, it needs to forged from the writings of many rather than that of a few. Thats what i believe communism means and should promote.

Author:  ungovernable [ 22 Aug 2010, 13:23 ]
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ALL theoricians of communism support the abolition of private proprety.

A society with private proprety isn't communism, it is capitalism/state capitalism or state socialism.

You are referring to communism as "decisions voted by the people, including abolition of private proprety". That's not communism, that's non-anarchist and non-communist Direct Democracy.

The definition of communism is commune ownership of proprety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon communal ownership of property.[1]

(...)

Karl Marx never provided a detailed description as to how communism would function as an economic system, but it is understood that a communist economy would consist of common ownership of the means of production, culminating in the negation of the concept of private ownership of capital, which referred to the means of production in Marxian terminology.

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 22 Aug 2010, 14:18 ]
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Look, said about the abolition of private property, but you should know im not going to read a wikipedia page and believe it. Also, as stated in the national question writen by rosa luxemburg, direct democracy is the cornerstone of true communism and should be used as such. And so thats what it is. Also i never said that there was private ownership of factories or means of production, cause i think thats how things should be. Obviously there will be public ownership of factories. Like you said that is part of communism, and i always felt that way. Why you seem to think i dont believe that is a bit strange. I said that communism doesnt take property away from you, and it doesnt really, you keep your house, your car everything inside so on, but businesses should be nationalised under the people, factories etc.. and decisions are made by direct democracy.

Author:  ungovernable [ 23 Aug 2010, 22:31 ]
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Looks like you don't want to hear anything. But you're still wrong.

The wikipedia page have serious sources, unlike you who have no sources to say that the BASIS VALUES of what define communism should be voted collectively through direct democracy (like abolition of government and abolition of private proprety)

You have a very wrongful and restained definition of communism. Yes, communism includes direct democracy, but it isn't restained only to direct democracy, or else it would be called "direct democracy" and not communism.

Read more theories about communism because seriously, i don't want to insult you but you are really ignorant...

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Obviously there will be public ownership of factories. Like you said that is part of communism, and i always felt that way.

No, because you said that the problem of private proprety should be voted collectively, so you are pretending that if the people chose to keep private proprety it would be still communism because communism is about direct democracy...

Are we also going to vote on the abolition of government ? We are going to ask the parliment members what they think of the abolition of government like we are going to ask the bosses of factories and landlords what they think about the abolition of private proprety ??

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I said that communism doesnt take property away from you, and it doesnt really, you keep your house, your car everything inside so on, but businesses should be nationalised under the people, factories etc.. and decisions are made by direct democracy.

You are confused. Personnal possession is not the same thing as private proprety. Please read Proudhon's texts on private proprety, he was the first anarchist to tlak about abolishing private proprety and he clearly distingued possession from proprety.

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 24 Aug 2010, 00:31 ]
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ur putting words in my mouth. Public ownership is important. Its voting on those issues, its using direct democracy to manage those factories, seeing as there is no over riding body. I never said to vote on the bases of communism at all, those are set in stone, dont try and change what i say. I know the difference between property and possetions, i was wondering if you did, considering you seemed to be ignoring what i had been saying.

Author:  ungovernable [ 26 Aug 2010, 23:21 ]
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We will kick out the bourgeoisie with the revolution, not with direct democracy and voting if we want to kick out the proprietary, government, and landlords...

Yes you said to vote on the bases of communism since you say we need to vote on wether or not we need to force people to give up their proprety, vote on factory bosses, shared ownership, etc....

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Iv got to say this now, reading the comments, i think everyone seems to have a bit of a warped view on things. Iv literally only just joined this site and am feeling sorta agitated. Simply put, i am a communist and this idea that communism is forcing people to give up there property is stupid. True communism is the union of all people that all decitions taken within the country are voted for by the people. Factory bosses, voted for by people. Declaring war, voted for by people. Yes shared ownership is true, but its shared by regular votes, and the dissolution of goverment. The idea that rich people are "nice" is quite a strange one. The only thing the rich really care for is money, and that fact put in that rich people are really charitable is bollocks. Take the haitian earthquake. Most of the funding came from local carribean islands, the majority of which from cuba. The americans basically sent over loads of celebrities to make those people look good.

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 27 Aug 2010, 21:59 ]
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i dont see what copying my first post is achieving. I said that shared ownership is done by direct democracy, as in managed. No were in that post does it say to vote on the bases of communism. I said that there would be dissolution of government. NOWERE does it say to vote on the bases. I see no evidence for your arguments.

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 27 Aug 2010, 22:00 ]
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i dont see what copying my first post is achieving. I said that shared ownership is done by direct democracy, as in managed. No were in that post does it say to vote on the bases of communism. I said that there would be dissolution of government. NOWERE does it say to vote on the bases. I see no evidence for your arguments.

Author:  ungovernable [ 28 Aug 2010, 05:28 ]
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you said:

"this idea that communism is forcing people to give up there property is stupid"

in other words, forcing the basis of communism would be "stupid", since forcing people to give up there proprety is a basis of communism.

and then you continued your post by saying that people should vote on everything, i take it as you think that people should vote on the collectivisation of private proprety because forcing them would be "stupid".

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 29 Aug 2010, 04:08 ]
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I was talking to the capitalists who dont know the destinction of property and posetions. I thought that was obvious enough. And when i said all decistions are made via direct democracy, i ment when the bases were in place. Again i thought that was obvious. Seems i was wrong to assume people would understand what i was saying, seeing as this argment is pointeless and achieving nothing, im ending it now. Im not replying to any more posts.

Author:  anarcy7777u [ 29 Aug 2010, 04:08 ]
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I was talking to the capitalists who dont know the destinction of property and posetions. I thought that was obvious enough. And when i said all decistions are made via direct democracy, i ment when the bases were in place. Again i thought that was obvious. Seems i was wrong to assume people would understand what i was saying, seeing as this argment is pointeless and achieving nothing, im ending it now. Im not replying to any more posts.

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