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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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So I'm a sharp from California, where there is an abundance of illegals. I don't have a problem with any race, I am a sharp after all, but I do hate illegals which I don't think is racist. Today I was walking my dog and this annoying asshole dog that always comes and tries to attack my dog came up to us and my dog started to push it away and it's owner, an old illegal lady, started to call it back. So I went over to the end of their driveway and pointed to my steel toe docs and said that if that dog ever touches mine these steel toes would smash it's skull in. That dog doesnt have it's shots or anything so I'm going to protect my dog at all costs. So this lady starts yelling in Spanish, she doesn't even know English apparently, so I yelled if your gonna come to my country then learn my language, is it racist to say that? I personally don't think so, please share your thoughts.
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| 14 Jan 2011, 21:42 |
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Noah Zark
Joined: 02 Jan 2010, 11:44
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Re: Is it racist?
Its not racist at all.
It is common decency to learn the language of the place that you are moving to.
I moved to Israel a few years ago and even though you can get by with only English here I felt it my duty to learn the language because I am the new one here. Until I learn the language and immerse myself in the culture I am basically just a guest.
Illegals should be thankful as fuck that they made it across the border, and have a bit of respect instead of always claiming "La Raza", or "viva Mexico".
If Mexico was so awesome you would not have risked life and limb to get to the states.
Not racist.
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| 15 Jan 2011, 08:53 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
Thank you! Finally someone who agrees with me. I hate how they call me a "cracker" and claim that Mexico is the shit, if you love Mexico and hate me for being white...stay in Mexico? Idk I like mexicans it's just there are ones who come here illegally and take all the working class jobs and don't learn English and claim we don't treat them well. well thanks for your input, I didn't think I was in the wrong.
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| 16 Jan 2011, 00:46 |
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BENJA#28
Joined: 07 Sep 2010, 01:25
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Re: Is it racist?
you cant yelled to an old woman or start a fight with her... or what you going to do? kick her butt to their contry again? have no sense
even that, I agree that if you are a foring country you must learn the languae where you living...
and as sharp you should know: there is no illegals humans.
NINGUN SER HUMANO ES ILEGAL.
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| 16 Jan 2011, 04:35 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
I wasn't going to kick her ass I was just letting her know if her dog touches mine it's gonna get it's skull kicked in. And I know that there is no illegal human, but I don't think it is fair that they come here and don't become citizens, don't pay taxes, and don't even have the decency to learn our language. If illegals didn't interfere with my life, I wouldn't confront them, but they were posing a threat so I let her know where I stood. I will not resort to racial slurs or profiling a race, races and religions do not matter to me, it is the individuals. I would have the same feelings towards an illegal from any other country.
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| 16 Jan 2011, 07:16 |
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ungovernable
Joined: 17 Dec 2009, 23:59
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Re: Is it racist?
Yes it's racist. You are attacking the wrong problem. The problem is the government not the immigrants. You can't blame them for leaving their countries, you'd do the same with the life they got over there. The problem is not the immigration but the integration of the immigrants.
I'm very surprised to see a SHARP act as you do. Wtf man, if my dog attack your's would you start hating all white people ? That's fucking ridiculous. You are having racial prejudices against a group of people just for the acts of a minority, that's generalization and prejudices - EXACTLY what SHARP is supposed to be against.
Quote: and as sharp you should know: there is no illegals humans.
+1
Quote: but I don't think it is fair that they come here and don't become citizens, don't pay taxes, and don't even have the decency to learn our language
Blame government.
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| 16 Jan 2011, 22:26 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
Oh I'm not saying this is why I don't like illegals, it was just one instance that made me think about it. Im not going to profile a race or a group because of one incident, I jut happened to think about it when this happened. I don't have a problem with people coming to america, I just don't like when they do it illegally, I know that this country is for everyone, I just ask that they become citizens. I think you misunderstood my point, this was just an example of problems that emerge when illegals come from other countries. I fucking love other races, I just don't like it when they basically disrespect our country.
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| 16 Jan 2011, 23:29 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
And I do blame the government, I am not profiling or having a prejudice. I like mexicans, some of my beat friends are mexicans, race means nothing to me, I just don't like illegals. I won't go start shit with illegals, Its just when one as an individual does certain things I will say something to that individual.
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| 16 Jan 2011, 23:35 |
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ungovernable
Joined: 17 Dec 2009, 23:59
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Re: Is it racist?
Yes, but becomming a legal citizen isn't that easy, once again... blame government. If you'd live a shitty life with bad conditions in a poor city of mexico, you'd have no future unless you migrate to USA, so you'd do the same...
Quote: And I do blame the government, I am not profiling or having a prejudice. I like mexicans, some of my beat friends are mexicans, race means nothing to me, I just don't like illegals. I won't go start shit with illegals, Its just when one as an individual does certain things I will say something to that individual.
Well so far your post lets me think that you have a problem with illegals only because of the actions of a few.... You're still saying "i don't like illegals"... And illegal has everything to do with race, so don't say it means nothing to you, you were talking about foreign languages and immigrants... that's almost xenophobia
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| 17 Jan 2011, 02:30 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
Ok well I don't like illegals because I see it as disrespect to this country, I do blame the government, but the individuals did make the choice to cross the border illegally. I was just saying this is one of the things that has happened to me as a result of an illegal alien, as I said before im not going to have any prejudices or persecute/oppress them. It just bothers me that people come here illegally. In the incident discussed I did say/do something because the illegal alien as an individual had interfered with my daily life. Im not saying that the individuals are 100% at fault, but i just think they should show more respect for the country they enter. It's not like I hated this lady for being illegal nor do I hate illegals for the actions of this lady, the combination of her actions and her being an illegal alien were major factors.
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| 17 Jan 2011, 10:03 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
Oh and yes I know illegal does have to do with race but I don't care about whatever race they may be, I just don't like the fact that they come here illegally, race isn't a factor, and yes foreign language is a factor only of the individual doesn't learn or strive to learn the language of the country they entered.
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| 17 Jan 2011, 10:07 |
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ungovernable
Joined: 17 Dec 2009, 23:59
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Re: Is it racist?
Quote: Ok well I don't like illegals because I see it as disrespect to this country
Oh so now you're a patriot.
See, you're still saying you don't like illegals. Now don't pretend you don't have anything against them.... I don't understand how you can have these ideas and pretend yourself SHARP
Quote: I do blame the government, but the individuals did make the choice to cross the border illegally
You'd do the same.
If the government is wrong, then it is a duty to disobey.
Illegal alien ??? Now that's just racism. Seriously, you are a disgrace to SHARP if you think immigrants are alien just because they're not the same as you.
Quote: as I said before im not going to have any prejudices or persecute/oppress them
"illegal alien" is a prejudice.
Quote: In the incident discussed I did say/do something because the illegal alien as an individual had interfered with my daily life.
Your dog story doesn't have anything to do with race, nationality or whatever... If you'd have a problem with the dog of a white woman you wouldn't even have talked about this whole "illegal alien" story.... The same story could have happenned with white persons.
Quote: It's not like I hated this lady for being illegal
Well, you just said you don't like illegal alien.
Quote: the combination of her actions and her being an illegal alien were major factors.
No. Could have happenned with white people too.
Quote: Oh and yes I know illegal does have to do with race but I don't care about whatever race they may be, I just don't like the fact that they come here illegally, race isn't a factor, and yes foreign language is a factor only of the individual doesn't learn or strive to learn the language of the country they entered.
Race IS a factor, or else you wouldn't call them "illegal alien"
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| 17 Jan 2011, 21:57 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
I was saying that it was a conflict that she doesnt even speak English. And I say illegal alien because that is the term used by our government. I don't like illegals because of the fact that they come ere illegally, I don't care what race!!!! Holy shit your fucking interpreting what I say into shit I didn't fucking mean.
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| 17 Jan 2011, 22:40 |
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Vito445
Joined: 06 Jan 2011, 04:00
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Re: Is it racist?
ungovernable, i get it that you are a bleeding heart liberal, but that doesnt mean you need to make other people feel guilty. He clearly does not want people comming into his country illegally and messing it up. This is not racist. Mexicans can be white or black (Criollos, Meztizos, Mulatto, Negro, Amerindian)
So since mexicans are not comprised of 1 race but actually 3 races and commonly a mixture of 2, then you can not be racist in this sense. Im sure if a mexican with blond hair and blue eyes had a dog without the shots and didnt speak english and was a burden like this, sharp69 would still not like her. And yes there are mexicans with blue yes and blond hair but you probably only know mexico from what you see on TV, like most americans.
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| 18 Jan 2011, 19:17 |
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Vito445
Joined: 06 Jan 2011, 04:00
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Re: Is it racist?
Everyone should take note of how this guy is trying to make Sharp69 look like a racist. I see it everyday, when left wing libtards want to win an arguement they simply resort to calling their conservative opponent a racist.
Sharp69: You are not a racist for wanting an illegal alien(no matter what race), non tax paying, burden to society(un kempt dog), that does not even know the language of the country she is coming to, to not be in your country.
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| 18 Jan 2011, 19:26 |
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ungovernable
Joined: 17 Dec 2009, 23:59
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Re: Is it racist?
Quote: ungovernable, i get it that you are a bleeding heart liberal, but that doesnt mean you need to make other people feel guilty.
Ahahaha i love closed minded people like you, they're so funny! You see everything black and white and keep associating people to labels and political spectrum.... If you're not conservative, you're liberal, and vice versa.... That's pathetic... I'm against liberals AND against conservatives.
Quote: He clearly does not want people comming into his country illegally and messing it up. This is not racist.
Yes it is.... Oh wait, you're saying that the National Front isn't racist ? hahaha...
Quote: So since mexicans are not comprised of 1 race but actually 3 races and commonly a mixture of 2, then you can not be racist in this sense.
You're playing on words. You're still having prejucide against a nationality. Call it xenophobia or racism, it's still the same fucking bullshit.
It's funny, no one is talking about canadian illegal immigrants... But oh wait, you don't care, because they're white and they speak english so they won't "mess up your good nation" with their skin color and different language.
Quote: a dog without the shots
The shots part was an assumption, based on prejudices against mexican. Saying that if you're an illegal mexican with a dog, the dog doesn't have its shot... well that's definatly a prejudice, a racial prejucide.
Quote: Everyone should take note of how this guy is trying to make Sharp69 look like a racist. I see it everyday, when left wing libtards want to win an arguement they simply resort to calling their conservative opponent a racist.
He makes himself looks like a racist without my help.
ILLEGAL ALIEN is definatly a racist term, that's saying that illegals are ALIENS and other people are humans.... Even if you're an illegal you're still an human, not a fucking alien. That's like if i was calling you "american alien" you'd say i'm an anti-american racist
Quote: Sharp69: You are not a racist for wanting an illegal alien(no matter what race), non tax paying, burden to society(un kempt dog), that does not even know the language of the country she is coming to, to not be in your country.
Yeah right, you're just xenophobian. So much different.
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| 18 Jan 2011, 22:19 |
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Vito445
Joined: 06 Jan 2011, 04:00
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Re: Is it racist?
omg you twist words so well.
First of all where did the national front come into this? We are talking about illegal immigration into the united states. If you think that illegal immigration should be stoped then you are not racist. i dont give a fuk where you come from, if u wanna live here do it legally.
Secondly the reason no one is worried about canadian immigration is because they arent flocking into here by the millions. And the north borders are so well kept by both sides that the posibilites of terrorists comming into our country is minimal from that border.
Third, the dog itself looked dirty and disgusting and not well kept, so it was an assumption that a rabid dog with this image that it does not have shots. Also the fat that the owner is not a very nice looking person who cant control her own dog and refuses to speak the nations language. If she was a senile old white lady i wouldnt have cared, just speak english.
The term Illegal Alien has been used for decades in many many countries, because alien is another word for foreigner.
And you just sealed this debate for me. you actually think that when we call them illegal alien, we are saying that they are not even part of the human species, that htey are actually aliens from outter space. you must be the dumbest person in the entire world. It is worthless to argue with you now that i know this fact.
Oh, and stop calling him names like Xenophobian, Racist, ect. Your labels are empty, this man clearly is none of these labels, he would not have posted this question if he was.
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| 19 Jan 2011, 03:56 |
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sharp69@ymail.com
Joined: 14 Nov 2010, 05:44
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Re: Is it racist?
Thank you guys for understanding, I don't care about race it's just the fact that illegals are a sore subject for me. I have no problem with immigrants and I actually like the fact that foreigners want to come here. I just wish that they would do it legally. I an not going to go bash on illegals, this lady was being a threat so I acted. If it was a fucking white guy that woulda kicked my ass I even woulda said that I was gonna kick his dog if it tried to bite mine. There are only a few things I love in life and they are my doc martens, my dog, my country, and my pride. Im not a goddam patriot or anything close to it but I know my roots and have my pride. Please stop trying to twist my words around and single out sentences to make me seem I'm saying something that I really don't mean. I just added that she was an illegal because it just added to my frustration because she didn't even speak English for fucksake.
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| 19 Jan 2011, 05:30 |
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ungovernable
Joined: 17 Dec 2009, 23:59
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Re: Is it racist?
Quote: First of all where did the national front come into this? We are talking about illegal immigration into the united states.
Well, they only want to stop immigration, just like you. So hum, i guess theyre not racist like you say
Quote: If you think that illegal immigration should be stoped then you are not racist.
Yes you are. And if illegal immigration is stopped, next step you will talk about stopping legal immigration because theyre too many and they dont speak english bla bla bla... You're xenophobian.
Quote: i dont give a fuk where you come from, if u wanna live here do it legally.
Thats an easy way to oppose immigration without being labelled as a racist. You clearly know that if all immigrants would do it legally, 75% of them would be refused, so in other words there would be less immigration and thats what you want.
Quote: Secondly the reason no one is worried about canadian immigration is because they arent flocking into here by the millions.
See. That's what i said. You're both xenopobian and you don't want to see too many immigrants in your cool white english speaking redneck country.
Quote: And the north borders are so well kept by both sides that the posibilites of terrorists comming into our country is minimal from that border.
Hahahah typical american paranoid, you see terrorist threat everywhere... not surprising that you're a conservative. If your country is so much targetted by terrorists then maybe it's the time to question your international politics.
As for the borders - blame the governement.
Also, i never heard of mexican terrorists.
Quote: Third, the dog itself looked dirty and disgusting and not well kept, so it was an assumption that a rabid dog with this image that it does not have shots.
Again, nothing to do with race or nationality. It could have happenned to anyone. Poor people are not only immigrants, there are also millions of native americans in the same condition. Again, that,s prejudices.
Quote: If it was a fucking white guy that woulda kicked my ass I even woulda said that I was gonna kick his dog if it tried to bite mine.
Yep, but you wouldn't have started a debate on illegal immigration.
Quote: There are only a few things I love in life and they are my doc martens, my dog, my country, and my pride. Im not a goddam patriot or anything close to it but I know my roots and have my pride.
Does sound like patriotism to me..
Anyway, if you love your country so much you should know that your whole history is based on illegal immigration. Without illegal immigration, the USA wouldn't even exist today.
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| 19 Jan 2011, 10:14 |
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Pitball
Joined: 09 Jan 2010, 21:03
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Re: Is it racist?
Ungovernable is right on his opinion that it is a bigger issue. But my advice to solve your small scale problem is a non-violent one. Write a letter of apology. Find an internet language converter. Copy that new spanish converted letter and give it to the lady. Just apologize for acting threateningly and kindly ask her to control her dog because you are worried about your own animal's safety. That way the issue can be resolved peacefully and you can regain the antifa rep of a SHARP skin.
Oi! from Canada
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