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 Is it just Sweden or...? 
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Heya.

Those who have read my introduction topic might have noticed I'm not really a leftist-fan. Mainly because their Anti-Fascist-youth are a bunch of morons who goes around 15-1 bashing people for their shaved heads and for wearing Thor's Hammers around their necks.

As I see it, the swedish AFA are no more than a criminal youth organization looking for some action, most of them probably don't even know what it is they fight for or against. I don't care if they beat up a Nazi now and then, but they've gone as far as scaring people from expressing their beliefs, made sure people won't vote for what they really want to vote on, thereby they're trashing our Democracy.

In my opinion, Nazism and Communism are just as bad as one another, they're both dictatureships which supress the people, taking away the rights from the people, just doing so in different ways. I'd even say the basic idea of National Scosialism sounds a lot better than Marxism, although I have to admit I haven't read too much about the 'real' marxism everyone speaks of.

However, today the swedish communist party, Vänsterpartiet, earlier known as Vänsterpartiet Kommunisterna (Leftist party, Leftist Party the communists) is in the Swedish goverment, with a leader who both wanks and sticks up his finger in the public, and are 'allied' with the Scocialists and the Enviroment-whiners.

So, to my question - My friend who spent a year in America says that there are just about no communists there, and that the party mostly towards the left-side would compare to the swedish every-day right-side parties. What about Europe though? Are there any other countries having the same... I'll just call it a problem, crude as it might be.


18 Feb 2010, 16:04
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You, my friend, are plainly ignorant. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I would go as far as to say "troll", but it's frickin' close...

18 Feb 2010, 19:36
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What? It's true. AFA keeps threatning me for being a Skinhead, calling me nazist and fascist.

The leader of the leftist party have been a member of a youth communist party, and have said he adores Stalin as a hero.

He've also stuck up his finger on TV towards one who asked him just what I just wrote about.

I know several people in the AFA, my sister's best friends are in AFA, and most of them are mentally ill, not to generalize but.. Still.

AFA have threatned to kill several people from Nazi parties, nationalists, patriots, Skinheads, Punk-rockers and Jews. They even threw a stone at a holocaust survivor.

So, I'm ignorant for calling them morons? They're nothing more than a bunch of kiddies who wants to fight and show off with their 'gangs' on the streets.

I don't mind it if they shout 'No fascists on our streets!' - But to throw stones on 80-year old people for what's happening in Palestina, that's just stupid.

Besides, the so-called Scocialists have had a campaign of ethnic cleansing and to create race-segregated laws in the northern parts of Sweden, something most people doesn't even know about unless you have lived there or have friends/family there yourself.

I'm ignorant for disliking them? Alright. Still doesn't answer my question about how they are elsewhere than Sweden though.


18 Feb 2010, 21:10
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What I'm saying is that AFA is not an organization that you can join. Everyone gets to call themselves "AFA". Therefore you can't blame the group for what individuals do, man.

I would never call you ignorant for disliking them. I'm calling you ignorant because you don't know fuck all about them, mate.

And social democrats and stalinists are hardly communists. What you need to understand is that there are several fractions, both libertarian and authoritarian within the socialist idea. Social Democrats = Bourgeoisie right/centre party wankers. Stalinists = Well, see how well that went.

AFA and the likes of the, however, are anarchists, mostly. Or Council commies or whatever, but they support direct democracy.

And regarding the brutal mauling of a holocaust survivor: don't fucking believe anything you read in the papers or att patriot forums.

As for the threat towards you as a skinhead: that might also be because you practically are a nazi. You said it yourself, mate.


18 Feb 2010, 21:18
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Right, those who I've spoken to all claimed to be leftists (my sis' friends in the AFA).

I don't quite know how organized they are, I know they've got a website and that they gang up to demonstrate and bash people.

The Holocaust survivor was in an interview a long time ago, can't remember which newspaper it was but I don't see the point of an 80-year old guy lying, and there was several clips of the demonstration by AFA and Muslims outside the jewish.. what are they called in english.. temple, thingy.

As I also mentioned, I haven't taken myself the time to find out what 'real' communism/marxism would be, so far all I've seen is violence, dictatureship and loss of freedom for the people.

And I didn't say I was a Nazi in any way, now it's you who are lacking the facts here. The basic idea of national scosialism was to make sure the working class would have employment, to make sure their currency wouldn't continue to drop in value, and to unite the people to avoid further chaos from the Democracy. I didn't say I like it, I said I like it more than that I've heard of communism, which simply is to give everything to the state and pray to god that the dictator then cares about the people enough to actually make sure they have food and employment.

As I also stated, I find the both ways being nothing more than dictatureships that in one way or another supresses the people. Communists supressing all the people, National-scocialists supressing the ethnic minority to 'make way' for the majority.

I hate rascists, I think they're dumb fools who just use it as one way to get out their anger on one group of people (or several) either just because they're stupid enough to think it's cool, or because they've been tricked to that it would be the right thing.

But I still also hate the majority of AFA who, just as Boneheads and other neo-nazi's, have been tricked to that violence and hatred is the sulotion to their problems, and that there are several who join AFA simply because of the thrill of the violence.


18 Feb 2010, 21:32
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I think that both Socialists and Commies are thieves, chomping at the bit to see people stripped of property under the threat of violence.

"Socialism is the first step in the process of developing the productive forces to achieve abundance and changing the mental and spiritual outlook of the people. It is the necessary transition stage from capitalism to communism."
http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm


18 Feb 2010, 21:55
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Aye, exactly.

You pick your words better than I do, but that's pretty much what I tried to say.

National Scocialists, Communists, or just 'normal' scocialists cares nothing for their people, all they want is power and money.

As for Anarchists, I'd love to live in such world that they want this to be, but.... It's not going to happen, there will always be greed, hatred and apathy. Atleast, unless I once again have mixed them up with something else. *ponders* I do that alot.


18 Feb 2010, 22:01
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The badass freedom-fighter founding fathers of the USA came up with a brilliant system of a tiny federal government who's sole purpose was to ensure liberty for Americans. That whole thing is kind of going to hell, though. Has been for a good while.

18 Feb 2010, 22:12
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Indeed.. Power corrupts, apparently.

Hm... I'm gonna think up the best political ideology ever!

...... No.... Supressing.... The... People.... Hm.. What next..? Oh, yeah.. No... Ethnical or religious Prejudice... No gender-prejudical thingies.. Meh, I guess I'll just have to wait until someone else comes up with something.

However, Violence is not the way to get there.


18 Feb 2010, 22:25
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Post  Re: Is it just Sweden or...?

Swedish Skin is illustrating a problem I have heard about for a very, very long time, and what is funny: the right wing is gaining speed in Europe.

Thank God.

I am no leftist, but I believe in freedom and democracy, and the greatest threat to that is the people like AFA and any of those groups that target people they call "fence sitters."

To these fucking scum, having a shaved head and not being some born again leftist Pawn makes you a 'fence sitter,' and oh Sweet Christ, heaven forbid you consider yourself a 'nationalist' and believe that the Americans are right for bombing the fuck out of a rat's nest of terrorists like Afghanistan.

I am well aware this site is crawling with leftists but it is called "punks & skins," and that means you are going to have to put up with the fact that not all of us are leftists.

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M'yeah, it'll be fun to see how America would react if AFA would achieve their goals.

'Oopsie, there went Sweden's democracy... But they have no oil... Norway has oil... it's close enough, we're going in!'

When one watches what's going on in Malmö and Göteborgh (Malmer and Goethenburg?), one believes it's pictures of a warzone in Iraq, until you realize it's the Swedish Police Department's vehicles and cops running around with riot shields, until one recognizes the towns that are on fire, seeing a bunch of different groups, AFA, Leftists, Immigrant kids, who does this more for the thrill than to achieve their goals... Unless their goals in fact is to lay Sweden in ruins?

Non-swedish media is mocking us when showing what's happening to their countries, I can't remember if it was CNN or BBC that actually went in and interviewed the Swedish Democrats (A party of national-democrats, who are frowned upon by most swedes as of their shady past.) - Making it rather obvious that they are hoping for the SD to get into the goverment (which, by the way, it quite seems as if they will this year) to clear up this mess.

I don't know how AFA should be dealt with, I'd say they've gone quite far enough to be considered a threat to the democracy of Sweden, thereby becoming a police matter, just as terrorists. (Seriously, compared to how large Sweden is, it's terrorism!) But then again, start locking them up would just create martyrs, fueling their fires even more.

Oh well, I guess we'll find out sooner or later. In the meantime I'll just wait for the summer... It's cold having a shaved head in Sweden at winter... Have a beer.. Sit by the river.. Listen to some Oi! and SKA.. Hope that the AFA won't pop up and pick a fight.. I don't think there's much that I alone can do against it anyhow. Damn this town needs more Skinheads, real ones.


19 Feb 2010, 05:13
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O lucky man! See the boon ye get here! I realy would like to be ye , cowardice in less ^^ Every day ye could have the oportunity to fight just for fighting, to feel the adrenalin in yer veins. But what the hell are ye doing? Ye blame violence... did ye say that ye're a skinhead?! :roll: Unfortunately (or luckily) - around me - there are no leftists stupid enough to think skinheads are all racists.
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I think I will have to start trolling Swedish and Greek English-language newspapers.

I think that they would have a lot of interesting information I need to get on top of.

Krop -- didn't France have similar issues in the Banlieus just a few years back? (I think I spelt that wrong, haha)

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That wasn't similar at all. The violence wasn't against us, it wasn't political, it wasn't the AFA - it was the suburbians - it wasn't skinheads - it was the representatives of the State, especially cops. And a lot of skinheads took part into the riots.
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I second that, you have absolutly no idea of what you are talking about.

You admitted yourself you don't even know what real marxism is, you're just another idiot who think communism is URSS or red china....

You make me puke, if you think national socialism is better than communism then you're place is with the nazis, not with us, and i understand that the anti-fascist action don't like you.

Start by trying to understand what you critize before talking shit.

Oh and by the way, i'm surprising myself that i am "defending" marxism hahaha... Those who know me will understand ;)


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The basic idea of national scosialism was to make sure the working class would have employment, to make sure their currency wouldn't continue to drop in value, and to unite the people to avoid further chaos from the Democracy.

You're a fucking idiot.

And you forgot to say they wanted to bring employment and such BY KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLES, and don't tell me peoples didn't know at this time, it was clear that hitler hated jews and blamed them for everything, and it was clear WAY BEFORE HE TOOK THE POWER

So you are saying you prefer a system that kills peoples to bring jobs instead of a system that kills rich peoples to make poor people's lives better.... To me you're no better than a fucking nazi and a collaborator.

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I am well aware this site is crawling with leftists but it is called "punks & skins," and that means you are going to have to put up with the fact that not all of us are leftists.

Let's make things clear : i have nothing against peoples who hate fascism and communism equally (i'm part of those peoples).

I have a problem with peoples who think fascism is better than communism, and peoples who defend nazis

Yup it's a site called punks & skins, so this means even if i consider myself as an anarchist i'm expecting that redskins are welcome here. So anti-communists and RAC lovers can fuck off.

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19 Feb 2010, 07:19
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I'm not trying to defend nazism, not at all, it's you who keep turning my words until you see what you want to.

Besides, AFA doesn't dislike me because of what I say, they look at me and think I'm a nazi for my shaven head and my boots.

And about the violence part, it's not that I dislike some street-violence now and then. But AFA seriously never fight anyone they don't outnumber, and they're nothing but a bunch of cowards and pricks.

As I wrote somewhere above already, I find Communism and Fascism just as bad as one another, but if I'd have to choose from one of them, I'd pick the one that for me seems less evil. (Nazi-Germany's death-count was after all nothing compared to that of Sovjet) - Because, as also was mentioned somewhere, power corrupts, and I'd prefer a dictator who atleast cared about the country and the people he belongs to, than one who only cares for power.

I guess I'll have to go find out what marxism is really about, but still, it hasn't worked out in neither sovjet, china, north korea, cuba or anywhere else.


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ungovernable wrote:
I have a problem with peoples who think fascism is better than communism, and peoples who defend nazis


Word.

The difference between the 2 is that communism is pretty good in theory but in real life it comes to money and power, like any other system, while national socialism sucks anyway you look at it.

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I agree that both systems are bad as well, but where did Swedishskin show a preference of one over the other?

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he did both. i was going to say something as well (that they're both simply 100% evil, i don't know how one can try to say either is better than anything) but after he said

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National Scocialists, Communists, or just 'normal' scocialists cares nothing for their people, all they want is power and money.


i just took the previous statements as conversation starters and/or not having english for a first language.

now i'm just not sure how these three comments reconcile:

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i have nothing against peoples who hate fascism and communism equally...

even if i consider myself as an anarchist i'm expecting that redskins are welcome here...

anti-communists [------------] can fuck off.


i don't know how much more anti-communist a minarchist or real anarchist could be, and i don't see what the problem is with me saying that communism is a despicable ideal equivalent to large scale slavery and precipitous towards large scale murder. maybe what is being (or just should be) said that if you can't tolerate other people disagreeing with you, or try to use violence or censorship against their ideas, then fuck off.

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ungovernable wrote:
I second that, you have absolutly no idea of what you are talking about.

You admitted yourself you don't even know what real marxism is, you're just another idiot who think communism is URSS or red china....

You make me puke, if you think national socialism is better than communism then you're place is with the nazis, not with us, and i understand that the anti-fascist action don't like you.


I disagree.

There is even an interesting quotation from the man who developed the concept of the Anarch on this issue:

“The egalitarian mania of demagogues is even more dangerous than the brutality of men in gallooned coats... Anyone who has been oppressed can get back on his feet if the oppression did not cost him his life. A man who has been equalized is physically and morally ruined." - Ernst Jünger (March 29, 1895 – February 17, 1998)

It is an interesting quotation because it is basically saying that the largest fault of the left wing is the fact that they, in their egalitarian mania, strip men of their individuality and ability to choose.

That would make perfect sense for Swedish Skin.

Secondly: Red China, the USSR, the Khmer Rouge and the Rodongdang of North Korea all made valiant attempts at fulfilling Communism, and all were brutal and terrible.

Perhaps you cannot take a hint...

Communism can never be fulfilled because it runs counter to the nature fo man.

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Start by trying to understand what you critize before talking shit.

Oh and by the way, i'm surprising myself that i am "defending" marxism hahaha... Those who know me will understand ;)


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The basic idea of national scosialism was to make sure the working class would have employment, to make sure their currency wouldn't continue to drop in value, and to unite the people to avoid further chaos from the Democracy.

You're a fucking idiot.

And you forgot to say they wanted to bring employment and such BY KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLES, and don't tell me peoples didn't know at this time, it was clear that hitler hated jews and blamed them for everything, and it was clear WAY BEFORE HE TOOK THE POWER


Hitler hated Jews and was a racist; he also secretly harbroed a deep hatred of Christians and Poles, etc. He was hateful.

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So you are saying you prefer a system that kills peoples to bring jobs instead of a system that kills rich peoples to make poor people's lives better.... To me you're no better than a fucking nazi and a collaborator.


I would prefer a system that killed people other than the rich; if the rich still exist, the economy could at least proceed semi-normally.

Communism ended up killing far more people than Fascism could ever hope to accomplish.

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